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04/10/2010

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math

This comment expresses disdain for one of the original and strong pillars of conservatism - faith in the people who get up and express their opinions, based on their experience, in response to the times. 

Zak Klemmer, ACS, ALB

I disagree math, you are discounting the statement on its face and the author as well.

cancangirl

Zak, Shalom, you are 100% right on in posting this, this man is horrible. People need to WAKE UP!

Waterbaby

I agree (and have said that often myself but no one listens). I still vividly remember the day the messiah was annointed amid frenzied jubilation (and before I'd unearthed a conservative sect on Vox). Everyone and I mean EVERYONE on Vox was celebrating ... writing about how they'd cried and were so proud and how far America had come and yada yada yada. I couldn't take it. I hung a Gone Fishin' sign at my blog, shut down the computer and went to do ANYTHING else to escape the stupidity of the American masses and by the end of the day I was drunk and crying. And I assure, they were *not* tears of joy. I'll never forget it or how utterly outnumbered I was on Vox .... 

ken

thats the only gift of obama,he knocked people out of their apathy,now that we have socialists,marxists.communists in the white house,they are fighting to recapture their country.the creeping of socialist stagnation is now in the limelight,may it never happen again.

math

Zak. You are too much of a speaker and rhetorician. You should know better. There is a difference between dismissing a speaker or statement versus pointing out that there is a big problem at the level of assumption, and at the level of history of thought. Whether or NOT this anonymous and repetitive writer is correct, it is still a problem that his opinion is "dismissive" of the election in which Obama was elected. How conservative is it of him (or you) to say that the electorate is crazy or dumb? 

Maureen Kirk-Detberner

Funny I said the same thing about W.

Zak Klemmer, ACS, ALB

You weren't wrong. "George W Bush is LBJ with a human face." --Zak Klemmer

Maureen Kirk-Detberner

Ha, you made me laugh...I didn't like LBJ either!

Zak Klemmer, ACS, ALB

[this is good] :-)

Zak Klemmer, ACS, ALB



Obama ran a fraudulent campaign in that he didn't campaign on his ideology but on some bland message of: “we need reform”, what couldn't use a little reform? His appointments and all his czars paint a different picture- then there is the tyrannical way the Democratic Party runs congress. I know that Chris Buckley is an idiot for supporting him and any one else that doesn't subscribe to the Weather Underground movement.


cancangirl

Maureen, they ALL stink, that much is certain.

cancangirl

Obama ran a fraudulent campaign in that he didn't campaign on his ideology but on some bland message

 

THAT is exactly what Savage is saying right now

Zak Klemmer, ACS, ALB

Well I started politicking in 1964 & keep my own counsel.

Paleo

Mr. Anonymous is of course repeating ancient wisdom. Étienne de La Boétie, for example, wrote as much in the 16th century in his excellent little monograph
The Politics of Obedience
.

There are some days, I suppose the bad ones, where I agree with conservative scholar Paul Gottfried: "the government [we have] is far better than the masses actually merit."

In regards to the question of if this sentiment is "anti-conservative," I fail to see why. (Why, is conservatism a pure replica of the Enlightenment now?!) It is simply not true to say that A. J. Nock, R. Kirk, E. v. Kuehnelt-Leddihn, R. Weaver, or others of a similar-mind had faith in the masses----or the "herd mentality." Even young W. Buckley can be included. (And, yes, I am aware of the famous counter-example saying of his that is often quoted.) Distrust in uncultivated human nature, deriving from Original Sin, is seen in their work. Men are not naturally good or naturally virtuous, after all. They are not naturally educated or wise. It takes cultivation and maintenance. And like Jefferson, they supported a "natural aristocracy." Quality and not quantity is of the essence; faith in the people, or democracy, is not. To be sure, while what I say might not apply to many modern day conservatives, such as Limbaugh and those that admire him, it is nonetheless accurate within much of traditional conservatism.

Isn't John Derbyshire calling for a return to conservative pessimism? Maybe his advice should be taken, and I say that as someone who is not strictly speaking a conservative (although, maybe a "fusionist"). The masses give us Bush and Obama. That's reason enough to become a pessimist.

Cryin' for the Dyin'



On the point of LBJ's 'face'..The 'Great Society' did not go down to well in some areas..I had a major..OC of where I was in the USAF..at the time..his name was Newsome..named in house..Gruesom Newsome..he bore an uncanny resemblance to Mr. Johnson..Peace Tony

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